News13 in Colorado Springs interviews Grant, the young man at the heart of the new scandal involving Ted Haggard, the disgraced pastor of New Life Church and former president of the National Association of Evangelicals. Grant, whose last name has been withheld, says he was paid about $180,000 by the church not to talk about a trip to Cripple Creek in which Haggard asked if the two were going to be "Godly or bad."